Updated Plot Thread

[Tigerstar]

SkyClan is returning to the lake territories, their paws traveling over the frozen leaf-bare ground. When they reach the Clans, what will they do? Will they even give them territory? What will they say? Their eyes are set on a pine forest just outside of ShadowClan territory, but not every cat is accepting of their return. ShadowClan dislikes this idea the most, and tries to urge the other three Clans that SkyClan doesn't belong in the same territory as them. ThunderClan follows the idea ShadowClan has, though are more hesitant to drive them away. RiverClan wants to help the Clan, which is tired and weak from traveling such a long way only to arrive with threats of war hanging in the air. WindClan decides to stay neutral and hopes their decision will make the fighting stop. Though with ShadowClan and ThunderClan believing that only four Clans belong in the lake territories, and RiverClan helping SkyClan fight, things are escalating too quickly.

RiverClan and SkyClan are losing in the many battles against ShadowClan and ThunderClan. When both SkyClan and RiverClan are nearly wiped clean, WindClan steps in and decide to help them. With WindClan at their sides, ShadowClan and ThunderClan are now outnumbered. After a few more battles, they're both now feeling the effects of war, as SkyClan and RiverClan already had been. Cats are dying left and right with each new battle. Finally, there comes a time when all five Clans send out all of their fighters in a final battle. ThunderClan, just before it starts, steps out of the battle. ShadowClan fights as hard as they can against RiverClan, SkyClan, and WindClan, but they're horribly outnumbered. ShadowClan surrenders, and SkyClan becomes the fifth Clan again.

But there is still trouble brewing. SkyClan is unsure where to place their boundaries, and ask the other Clans for help. RiverClan and WindClan (maybe ThunderClan, Lionstar? Unsure what he would do, but let me know!) want to give SkyClan and equal amount of territory, similar to the amount they have. Though ShadowClan (and ThunderClan?) want to give them a small strip of forest hardly enough to feed a couple of rogues. In the end, they decide to give SkyClan a smaller territory, but it isn't much smaller than their own.


Things that could happen (let us know if you have any ideas!): all of the Clan leaders losing at least one life throughout all of the battles (Lionstar kills Coyotestar, and after she loses a life, that when WindClan steps in because it's also when they realize they're losing the war). (there were a few other really cool things that could happen but I forgot them oops)




Though before we start the plot, we would need all of the high positions to be filled (not including the medicine cat apprentices, as they aren't as important for the plot to begin). This is including the leaders, deputies, and medicine cats in all Clans. We have specific personalities that go with the plot that we'd like to see the last two leaders (ShadowClan's and SkyClan's) have, but not so much in the deputies and medicine cats as the leaders have the final say in everything the Clan does. Of course, a cat doesn't have to fit everything on the list of attributes below, but this is what we think they should have.


ShadowClan Leader: Would have to be an older cat (around 50+ moons) because they'd be so dedicated to the warrior code and following the orders of StarClan. They believe that there should only be four Clans in the lake territories, because that is the way it has always been. Selfish, uncaring, and cold may describe this cat. They want only what is best for ShadowClan, and they believe that they'd be doing the other Clans a favor by not allowing SkyClan to come live around the lake territory. They act on what they believe in and never back down from a fight. The only way that they'd lose if if they lost their last life in battle or had to surrender due to being so badly outnumbered in the final battle.

SkyClan Leader: They don't have to be a specific age (probably would be an older, wiser cat- not necessarily as old as the ShadowClan leader, however). They're kind and forgiving, acting like nothing happened after the final battle and treat ShadowClan and ThunderClan just like they do with WindClan and RiverClan. Selfless may also describe this cat. They want what is best for their Clan, but only exist in the lake territories due to the other Clan's generosity, and they know this. Even if they only got a small strip of pine forest outside of ShadowClan territory, they would accept it without complaining. They dislike fighting and only wish to have peace over all of the Clans.


So this is the official plot thread, which is constantly being updates and new ideas and suggests arise. Let us know what you think!

[Lionstar]

First, let me say I love this thread I'm just gonna be here all the time. K. Now that's out of the way.

For the post-war period, Lionstar most likely will be doing a lot of grovelling to try to regain ThunderClan's supposed moral high ground and also so he and his Clan aren't despised by the others quite so much (although considering they sided with the aggressors' side in the first place and then suddenly abandoned them, pretty sure nobody likes them at all xD) because ya can't do anything if everyone hates you. So, there's about an 70-80% chance that he'll support the larger chunk of territory for SkyClan.

I thought I had cool ideas to add to the cool ideas list but I totally forgot it so thaaaaat... is really awkward.

[Tigerstar]

Thank you, I'm glad you like it! (:

Oh, yeah, I totally missed the part that the other Clans probably wouldn't trust ThunderClan anymore (ShadowClan for abandoning them, the others for being on the opposite side of the war).

(and yeah, I forgot all of my cool ideas to add, too) Dx

[Darkfang]

Ooh, love the way this plot is turning out! I think ShadowClan has some good reasons for not wanting SkyClan to move in. After all, they'll be the only Clan who has to share borders with not two, but three other Clans (or would it be up against RiverClan territory as well?). In a culture where you sometimes struggle to survive, this would definitely seem threatening.
That other Clans would support this would be offensive; if they love SkyClan all that much, why not forfeit some of their own territory?

On the flip side (according to the rival Clans, perhaps), ShadowClan is just being greedy. xD

It's an interesting predicament! c:
I can't wait for the plot to be set in motion. ^-^

[Snowfire]

Adding onto Darkfang's reason on why ShadowClan wouldn't like them:

• SkyClan would have to cross their land to get to gatherings and to the moonpool.
• In addition to being surrounded, if TC, RC, and SKC were to team up to attack ShadowClan, they would be surrounded and literally have no where to run.
• Prey, and herbs, might become an issue by sharing the same pine forest.
• If SkyClan moves in behind them, they may have the smallest territory out of four five.

I'm actually somewhat surprised that they aren't getting placed between RiverClan and WindClan; the Horseplace is neutral territory, plus they'd have access to the lake without crossing any borders. May I ask why placement behind ShadowClan?

[Tigerstar]

Darkfang: I think that it will also be up against the west side of RiverClan's territory as well as ShadowClan's. Basically the placement will be right between both Clans on the outside of their border, so they'd have some fields on the south side of their territory and pine forests in the north. Even still, they'd probably feel threatened before and after the war because they're so surrounded (by two Clans that dislike them, yikes!) Emma is working on drawing SkyClan's territory, so it should make more sense once it's drawn- but there isn't much of a rush, since the plot hasn't started yet.

Snowfire: SkyClan will be outside of ShadowClan territory, so they wouldn't have to share any (so their territory wouldn't be shrinking by SkyClan's moving in). I think what would be driving the leader is the fact they're so devoted to StarClan and the warrior code (and what you and Darkfang said, they'd probably feel intimidated that they share borders with now three Clans). We decided to place it next to ShadowClan because they could use their jumping skills, as SkyClan cats are known for being able to jump great heights. So they could hunt prey in the trees- this was our idea. We could have placed it next to ThunderClan and WindClan, but we wanted the Clans next to SkyClan to be on opposite sides of the war. It just so happened that Tigerstar's personality would be neutral no matter where SkyClan is placed, so if SkyClan would have moved there, he would have been like, "Oh okay, just don't trespass and I'm fine with it." But I think that Lionstar is not as aggressive as the ShadowClan leader now has to be, and Coyotestar is very kind, so it fit more to have them use the pine forest next to ShadowClan instead of the oak forest (again, so they could use their jumping ability). Plus, if we placed their territory next to the Horseplace, ShadowClan might not have anything to complain about since they're on the opposite side of the forest, besides the fact they want four Clans. Coyotestar and Tigerstar wouldn't complain about the placement there, either.

Emma will be extended the territory map and using Erin Hunter's style to draw in SkyClan's territory.

(hope that maybe answered another person's question!) (:

[Snowfire]

Ah, okay. Makes sense, I forgot about their jumping ability. XD I can't wait to see that map when it's done!

[Lionstar]

I just had a random idea for a sort of scenario that might occur between ThunderClan and SkyClan -- a treetop battle~
I figure it could start as ThunderClan trying to ambush SkyClan or something like that from the trees, but SkyClan ends up entering the canopies as well and it would get super awkward and dangerous and really hard to fight, and it could start as something small but then end up as a major battle that results in a lot of loss of life, with cats fighting both on the ground and in the trees. I just feel as if the fight choreography (y'know, especially for cats and all) could be interesting, and both cats spend a lot of time in the trees, or at least ThunderClan spends time in trees and SkyClan spends time on heights, so they're sort of similar. Anyway. Yeah. Random idea, might not work, but it's out there now. In the open. As an idea.

EDIT: So, this was brought up in the cbox, but why is SkyClan leaving? I was thinking maybe it came down to a few things:
Twolegs -- an easy reason, as Twolegs are always expanding, could be that they started destroying the territory, or started building new things and so the prey was moving
Lowering numbers -- maybe some cats were deciding to go back to a soft life, for whatever reason -- again, maybe the Twolegs, maybe something else (perhaps there was another Clan or Tribe that came in, akin to BloodClan or The Ancients, that drove them out?), or illness, or you know, whatever, but the leader wanted to prevent cats from leaving and so decided to go join the four Clans at the lake
Prophecy -- Says it all. Whether it's real or fabricated, though, or perhaps misinterpreted, that's another story.
Weather/Climate/Territory -- They do live on cliffs. It could be that somehow, they started to grow weak, or there were more boulders falling, or what have you. It's a dangerous territory. Maybe they wanted something safer.

And I'm sure there are so many more ideas, but this is what just occurred to me off the bat! ^^

[Cindernose]

-raises hand- I have a suggestion on SkyClan leaving. They live in a gorge, right, with caves as their dens? There could be an earthquake or a landslide or something that leaves the caves uninhabitable and would also cause the river to dry up due to pits being opened underwater and shifted courses and junk. Maybe. I dunno, it was a random idea I had.

[Lionstar]

I like that idea, Shiny~ The land turning against them could be fun, and it could fit in nicely in the wording of a prophecy<3

Also, I had an idea for SkyClan and future plots with them regarding the daylight warriors (those ones who are warriors by day and kittypets by night and who have their kittypet name as the first part of their warrior name, such as Billystripe). I was thinking that they would have to choose whether or not to come, and if they did choose to come, they would be faced with a great deal of difficulty and probably prejudice, maybe even from some of the cats who support SkyClan's return. I thought it would be an interesting point to raise and an idea for the decline of SkyClan's numbers and demoralization of those who do remain. ^^

[Snowfire]

I agree with Lionstar, the idea of an earthquake/landslide would be a great reason to leave; spectacular idea, Cindernose! I like the idea of the daylight warriors having to choose(and not just because I personally hate the idea of daylight warriors pfft please) because as far as kittypet welcoming areas around the lake are pretty slim, and they'd probably retreat back home or be forced to live as legit warriors(the horror). Plus, I'm sure the other clans wouldn't like sharing sacred ground like the Island or the Moonpool with half warriors, as it would probably cause quite the uproar and may lead to a second war.

[Deleted]

These are some great ideas, guys! I really like the sound of the earthquake idea. Maybe there could have been some sort of prophecy after, which is initially what lend them to find the Clans at the lake? Also, the daylight warriors... yes that would be very interesting as well!

I also need to work on finishing that warriors map with the added SkyClan territory... I'll have that done soon.

[Tigerstar]

I really like the idea of the earthquake/landslide and the daylight warriors having to choose between staying or going, too! They're both really great ideas. I agree that we should have a prophecy- should it be telling them to find the other four Clans, warning them or the landslide and telling them to find the Clans, or...?

[Lionstar]

I think that the prophecy could be for any number of things, or it could be several prophecies (or even just one with all the different horrible things sneakily blobbed in!).

I just had to post here because I had an idea in the cbox right now talkin' to Shuu. Since SkyClan lost a lot of cats in its war with the rats, and with the daylight warriors, and with the journey to the lake, it would probably be super duper weak in the war and would just be crushed immediately upon arrival, realistically. Sooo I thought, what if in one of the Twolegplaces (either a city or a neighborhood -- could even be a huge barn, like a ranch/horse racing/breeding place or something) there would be a unique BloodClan-like Clan that was having its own struggles and falling apart, maybe they have their own set of ancestors and traditions and stuff and maybe they got a prophecy about SkyClan (or not, that totally works, too, or it could be a sham with political motivations) so that these cats would either join SkyClan or scatter to the wind -- or something else? Anyway, it's just something I came up with to give the four Clans more reasons to mistrust SkyClan (as if they needed any more xD) and also something for SkyClan to do and as a way to give SkyClan more members. What do y'all think?

[Snowfire]

BloodClan <3 I like the idea of SkyClan accepting more than just kittypets. It would give an interesting journey for them for sure.